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StandardAI · Jun 18, 2005, 12:26 AM // 00:26

How would you feel if you did something that the game allowed and got banned for it? If you didn't even know it was an exploit, people who ascended more than once now have been banned.

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Originally Posted by www.guildwars.com

As players may have noted, we took action to close a game exploit today. We would like to remind players that the willful use of exploits is against the EULA and the Rules of Conduct. Several players who used the exploit have had their Guild Wars accounts permanently banned. If you find an exploit, please contact us directly through [email protected]. We are grateful for the assistance of the community in such matters, and will attend to reports as promptly as possible.

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Originally Posted by http://guildwars.com/legal/rules-of-conduct.html

You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via 'Ask a Question' at http://support.guildwars.com.

"(bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits)" That's a really vague statement, there's no list of what arenanet does intend us to do, and not to do in the game. This line alone gives them the ability to ban any one of us at any time for whatever reason they deem fit.

PS. If you don't know the definition for entrapment, go look it up.

Golgotha · Jun 18, 2005, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

That's a really vague statement, there's no list of what arenanet does intend us to do, and not to do in the game. This line alone gives them the ability to ban any one of us at any time for whatever reason they deem fit.

Last I checked it was their servers - so yes, they are the judge and jury. Most poeple knew it was an exploit they were using and I really don't mind how Anet decided to dish out the punishment. It's simple, don't try to get a leg up due to an obvious exploit and you won't have any problems. It sets a good example early on.

StandardAI · Jun 18, 2005, 12:33 AM // 00:33

A ton of people were exploiting vengeance and weren't banned, it's called entrapment.

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Originally Posted by Golgotha

Last I checked it was their servers - so yes, they are the judge and jury. Most poeple knew it was an exploit they were using and I really don't mind how Anet decided to dish out the punishment. It's simple, don't try to get a leg up due to an obvious exploit and you won't have any problems. It sets a good example early on.

Go look up the definition for communism as well.

gwden · Jun 18, 2005, 12:38 AM // 00:38

I hope the guy who was bragging about the exploit in the other post got banned, too. See, this is why you have to share these things-- if too many people did it, ANet wouldn't ban anyone.

Golgotha · Jun 18, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

A ton of people were exploiting vengeance and weren't banned, it's called entrapment. Go look up the definition for communism as well.

Entrapment refers to a purposely placed situation. I'm sure Anet wasn't going to leave a bug like that laying around for the sole enjoyment of picking off the feeders. If you somehow believe that getting that amount of XP over and over again was supposed to be implemented that way, then you have more problems than just your banned account. Everyone knew it was an exploit and thought they'd cash in, and they got what they deserve for it. High risk, high reward - or no reward, in this case.

Vengeance didn't involve people getting massive XP or item rewards through its use, did it? No, it didn't. If you're so disenfranchised by this game so much, as you so obviously look down upon it, then why are you still around, exactly?

StandardAI · Jun 18, 2005, 12:47 AM // 00:47

Actually I know of guilds that got their rank entirely because of the vengeance bug, yes it was exploited. No, the definition for entrapment isn't just limited to that. They created exploiters out of people who otherwise wouldn't exploit.

Loviatar · Jun 18, 2005, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

Actually I know of guilds that got their rank entirely because of the vengeance bug, yes it was exploited. No, the definition for entrapment isn't just limited to that. They create exploiters out of people who otherwise wouldn't exploit.

and how long did they KEEP their ill gotten rank anyway?

Red Locust · Jun 18, 2005, 12:49 AM // 00:49

I'm pretty sure everyone was aware that getting an infinite amount of exp for doing something as easy as defeating your mirror image, was an exploit. Not saying the bannings were deserved, but to argue that this isn't an exploit is silly.

StandardAI · Jun 18, 2005, 12:51 AM // 00:51

It is an exploit, there's a ton of them. No hacks were involved, nothing. Anyone who just went "hmm that's cool I can ascend more than once, I wonder if this is intended or not" just got banned. It's really called communism folks.

Ignotus · Jun 18, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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They created exploiters out of people who otherwise wouldn't exploit.

That is HILARIOUS. I assume you mean ArenaNet by "they". I guess ArenaNet made you exploit? It was OBVIOUSLY a bug. Anyone who says they didn't know it is ignorant, in denial, or lying. I don't think you know wtf communism is either. If you got banned, move along and stop posting here. There's no reason to clutter up the guru boards if you don't have a GW account. Most of the posts I've seen by AI are spam or flames anyway. You reap what you sow.

Heron Fensbanel · Jun 18, 2005, 12:58 AM // 00:58

Since when do communists ban people for ascending more than once?

ManadartheHealer · Jun 18, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

Go look up the definition for communism as well.

In case you don't know, communism is an economic system and is therefore irrelevant

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Originally Posted by Heron Fensbanel

Since when do communists ban people for ascending more than once?

Ninna · Jun 18, 2005, 01:03 AM // 01:03

http://guildwars.com/legal/rules-of-conduct.html

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18. You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars

ANet states clearly

you take advantage of any exploit, you risk being banned

people should use common sense when they find gamebugs

Navaros · Jun 18, 2005, 01:04 AM // 01:04

banning for exploiting is immoral

that's blaming the players for the devs' own incomplete coding

the players are not to blame, therefore the players should not be punished

if players are able to do something in the game without any third-party programs running, then it should be totally legal to do it. period.

shame on ANet for banning those players

ManadartheHealer · Jun 18, 2005, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by Ninna

use common sense

That is the problem most people run into

Jun 18, 2005, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by Heron Fensbanel

Since when do communists ban people for ascending more than once?

hahaha funniest thing I read in this thread

Darc.Syde · Jun 18, 2005, 01:17 AM // 01:17

i blame the skill point system... ban that...

Ignotus · Jun 18, 2005, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Navaros

banning for exploiting is immoral

that's blaming the players for the devs' own incomplete coding

the players are not to blame, therefore the players should not be punished

if players are able to do something in the game without any third-party programs running, then it should be totally legal to do it. period.

shame on ANet for banning those players

YOU ARE IN DENIAL. The rules clearly state that exploiting a bug is against the TOS. Whether you like it or not, that's the rule that you agreed to when accepting the TOS. Every game I've ever played had the same rule. Not all of them banned on the first offense, but this was pretty serious. I like the strong ban-hand. Maybe it will cause more people to think before exploiting the next bug they find.

Loviatar · Jun 18, 2005, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by Malchiel

I pray that StandardAi used this exploit and got his account perma-banned. That would be the day

and Navaros seems a bit ticked off as well

dare we hope for both of them?

if you are not caught it has to be allright

if someone makes a mistake it is their loss when i cheat them

if they make a mistake i am just helping them be more carefull next time so what i stole is really for their benefit

the list goes on but dont blame someone for breaking the rules just because they can get away with it.

OOPS THEY DIDNT GET AWAY WITH IT *snickker*

Pharalon · Jun 18, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Golgotha

If you're so disenfranchised by this game so much, as you so obviously look down upon it, then why are you still around, exactly?

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Originally Posted by StandardAI 04-19-2005

Kirbster, I can already tell you I'm not going to buy guildwars. I spent ten dollars on a game I intended to own, I will still own it none the less, but I can tell you I won't buy it.

Standard likes to grandstand, exaggerate and embelish to make his points seem more grandiose than they actually are. There's no entrapment going on, and god knows how he's drawing parallels to communism. Entrapment by definition involves some intent to cause the prohibited action, which means the bannable offense would a design feature and not a bug. Are you really suggesting that ANet is now incorporating exploits into their design documents specifically to allow them to ban people? I'd better get out my tin-foil hat in that case.

Personally, I think banning people for exploiting something as irrelevant to other peoples playing experience as an XP bug is harsh. Large scale abuse of vengeance was worse in my opinion, but I'm not the judge, so my view is largely irrelevant.

Laws are set out cleary, but are enforced in an arbitrary manner. You won't find an online game where this isn't the case. And FYI, that's more a characteristic of a dictatorial form of government.